FabFilter output sounds horrible on Mixdown
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FabFilter output sounds horrible on Mixdown
I'll first assume it is just me! When i do a mix down of my audio using FabFilter Audio Unit plugins (from the app store, not from the Auria store in the app), the sounds is quite screwy. it's all breathy and popping in and out, not at all like what it sounds like when listening to the sound with the plugins engaged live.
Is there something special i need to do to save a mixdown when using AU plugins i'm not aware of? Or any known issues with the Fab units?
Any advice would be great!
Glen
Is there something special i need to do to save a mixdown when using AU plugins i'm not aware of? Or any known issues with the Fab units?
Any advice would be great!
Glen
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Re: FabFilter output sounds horrible on Mixdown
To note: I have tried the same scenario in Cubasis using the same FabFilter AU setup and have had no issue with the sound of the mixdown. Offhand i would then have to attribute the problem to Auria.
For this kind of work i would rather work in Auria, so hopefully this kind of issue is known and being worked on!
For this kind of work i would rather work in Auria, so hopefully this kind of issue is known and being worked on!
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Re: FabFilter output sounds horrible on Mixdown
What's your project sample rate and what is your buffer set to?
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I'm at 48k and 512. Nothing weird. Not even as high quality as i'd prefer. Also this is about exporting, which can take as long as it needs and has nothing to do with latency or live playback. Just a mixdown. I'm on a maxed out iPad Pro 2018 as well, so currently the most capable hardware to run Auria on. I'm not running any IAA or other audio apps, just Auria and a few instances of FabFilter plugins.
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Is the problem definitely related to the FF plugins? For example if you disable the plugins and do another mixdown does the problem go away?
I'm wondering if the issue is down to the sample rate screwiness of the newer iPads.
I'm wondering if the issue is down to the sample rate screwiness of the newer iPads.
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Oh yeah, def FF. I recorded in Auria as per usual and tried them and got the result. In order to use the recording i had to do a mixdown to get it in to Cubasis, and it sounds fine there with the plugins off coming from Auria. I've sent a support request Ticket in to Auria folks, so hopefully it gets some attention as they said they'd look into it!
Otherwise i've actually had none of the issues i've read about concerning the 2018 iPad Pros, so not sure what is going on. I do know that for this kind of editing i prefer Auria, so i hope it gets solved!
Otherwise i've actually had none of the issues i've read about concerning the 2018 iPad Pros, so not sure what is going on. I do know that for this kind of editing i prefer Auria, so i hope it gets solved!
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To double check i just loaded a totally different AUv3 plugin from a different dev and did a mixdown without any issue. Didn't even think of trying that (duh!).
So it would appear it is specific to Fab & Auria.
So it would appear it is specific to Fab & Auria.
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Re: FabFilter output sounds horrible on Mixdown
I wonder if the hardware and project sample rates matter.Glen Allan wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:30 pmTo double check i just loaded a totally different AUv3 plugin from a different dev and did a mixdown without any issue. Didn't even think of trying that (duh!).
So it would appear it is specific to Fab & Auria.
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In Auria but not Cubasis? That would be odd indeed as Auria is the "Premier" audio editing app for iPad. That is works in Cubasis without issue tends to show the hardware is not the problem, and that it works at 48k in Cubasis but not Auria seems to show it's not the sample rate either. In Cubasis nothing changed (sample rate, oversampling, phase, lookahead) screws up the audio of the mixdown.
Again, i'd prefer to work in Auria, record at 48k or above, edit, mix and master in 48k or above. But just to check and rule it out, i just did a conversion down to 44 to apply effects the same way, and it still changes the result in the mixdown print. So it does not appear to be sample rate dependent.
Seriously, this does not seem to be an issue of "You just don't have it set right".
Again, i'd prefer to work in Auria, record at 48k or above, edit, mix and master in 48k or above. But just to check and rule it out, i just did a conversion down to 44 to apply effects the same way, and it still changes the result in the mixdown print. So it does not appear to be sample rate dependent.
Seriously, this does not seem to be an issue of "You just don't have it set right".
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Re: FabFilter output sounds horrible on Mixdown
Yes it probably is a bug, we were just trying to eliminate other potential options. If I get a minute I will try and test - I usually work at 44.1 with the native plugins but I'll try a test project at 48 with the AUv3 versions.
Which FF plugins in particular are you using in your project?
Which FF plugins in particular are you using in your project?
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Cool. I understand wanting to eliminate issues to nail things down.
It's a combo of a few. Pro MB, Pro Q3, Pro G & Pro L2. I've tried a few combinations, with or without oversampling, etc. Still weirds out on the mixdown.
I was wondering what the difference would be between the in app versions and the AU versions... I would have thought it used the same code base, but how it ties in could be different.
Will be glad to get back into doing this all in Auria!
Thanks!
It's a combo of a few. Pro MB, Pro Q3, Pro G & Pro L2. I've tried a few combinations, with or without oversampling, etc. Still weirds out on the mixdown.
I was wondering what the difference would be between the in app versions and the AU versions... I would have thought it used the same code base, but how it ties in could be different.
Will be glad to get back into doing this all in Auria!
Thanks!
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Re: FabFilter output sounds horrible on Mixdown
So I just did the following test:
Created a new song at 48khz
Added a MIDI track, recorded a few bars of the default piano sound
Used the Bounce Track In Place command to convert the MIDI track to an audio track
Added FF Pro-MB and Pro Q3 AUv3s as inserts on the channel (and made some adjustments in each plugin)
Performed a Mixdown at 24bit using the export to Audioshare option
The mixdown sounds fine, no audible problems. So it seems that the bug is a bit more complex than just adding the AUV3 FFs into the project.
In order to narrow down exactly what the bug is I would suggest you try and reproduce it by starting from a new blank project and establishing exactly which series of steps can reliably reproduce the bug. Without this information it won't be possible for Rim to fix the issue. As you can see I haven't managed to reproduce the bug as you describe it - but I'm sure the bug is real, it's just that we need more precise information in order to establish exactly what the issue is.
Created a new song at 48khz
Added a MIDI track, recorded a few bars of the default piano sound
Used the Bounce Track In Place command to convert the MIDI track to an audio track
Added FF Pro-MB and Pro Q3 AUv3s as inserts on the channel (and made some adjustments in each plugin)
Performed a Mixdown at 24bit using the export to Audioshare option
The mixdown sounds fine, no audible problems. So it seems that the bug is a bit more complex than just adding the AUV3 FFs into the project.
In order to narrow down exactly what the bug is I would suggest you try and reproduce it by starting from a new blank project and establishing exactly which series of steps can reliably reproduce the bug. Without this information it won't be possible for Rim to fix the issue. As you can see I haven't managed to reproduce the bug as you describe it - but I'm sure the bug is real, it's just that we need more precise information in order to establish exactly what the issue is.
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Re: FabFilter output sounds horrible on Mixdown
Can you create a small project that has this problem with just the Pro Q3 and upload if somewhere to see if others can reproduce it.Glen Allan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:09 pmCool. I understand wanting to eliminate issues to nail things down.
It's a combo of a few. Pro MB, Pro Q3, Pro G & Pro L2. I've tried a few combinations, with or without oversampling, etc. Still weirds out on the mixdown.
I was wondering what the difference would be between the in app versions and the AU versions... I would have thought it used the same code base, but how it ties in could be different.
Will be glad to get back into doing this all in Auria!
Thanks!
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Re: FabFilter output sounds horrible on Mixdown
Well... Went through my routine and pulled from an older event i recorded to use the plugins with the same setting i saved them in while in Cubasis. Had some issues with losing the waveform after trimming and a gain reduction, but realized i could bounce the track and it would rebuild it.
I'm now not having the issue. Really weird as i had tried on two other projects and had the problem. Recording method hasn't changed at all. I do think there's been an iPad OS update since working on the last one, so maybe that did something?
Just to double check i opened a track i was having issues with before and the previous print was still crazy, but when i reprinted the bounce the issue isn't there.
I guess i'll try my next mixes in Auria again next time and report back if the problem comes up again!
I'm now not having the issue. Really weird as i had tried on two other projects and had the problem. Recording method hasn't changed at all. I do think there's been an iPad OS update since working on the last one, so maybe that did something?
Just to double check i opened a track i was having issues with before and the previous print was still crazy, but when i reprinted the bounce the issue isn't there.
I guess i'll try my next mixes in Auria again next time and report back if the problem comes up again!
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That's good news - the issue may have been solved by either an iOS update or maybe a FF update.
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